A.B.
30/06/2009 05:46:44 |
Do the families of alcoholics and binge drinkers (assuming they are two separate things) really think programs and regulations such as these will prevent their loved one from drinking? Do these types of drinkers themselves think that they will work? |
Trinni Moralez
30/06/2009 05:40:13 |
KellyP. wrote:
Maybe I'm way off base, but it seems to me that reports like this will clearly be the doing-in of our industry. If the govt. mandates higher prices, then more customers will flock to the grocery store discount alcohol and drink in private. It puts heavier drinkers, the ones everyone is most concerned about, out of the public's eye and drinking more antisocially; drinking alone can be a sign of alcoholism. Is that really what society wants?
Kelly's got a point. How does encouraging heavy drinkers to drink isolated benefit our communities and our overall health? |
Joe Rocket
30/06/2009 05:35:50 |
Brilliant! |
Jenny Bean
30/06/2009 05:34:57 |
Yes, let's do. And we can call the results of our experiment "social research" and bill the taxpayers our tab. |
Joe Rocket
30/06/2009 05:33:27 |
I think you could definitely drink vicariously through your passive drinking. We should try it some time  |
Jenny Bean
30/06/2009 05:31:39 |
Evidently it's sitting around watching another person drink. So, if I'm sitting at the bar and you're sitting next to me and you're drinking and I'm watching, I'm passively drinking. Or is that vicariously drinking? Can I vicariously drink through my passive drinking? |
Joe Rocket
30/06/2009 05:27:53 |
What the bloody hell is "passive drinking"?!!? |
KellyP.
30/06/2009 05:26:19 |
Maybe I'm way off base, but it seems to me that reports like this will clearly be the doing-in of our industry. If the govt. mandates higher prices, then more customers will flock to the grocery store discount alcohol and drink in private. It puts heavier drinkers, the ones everyone is most concerned about, out of the public's eye and drinking more antisocially; drinking alone can be a sign of alcoholism. Is that really what society wants? |
Smitty
30/06/2009 05:19:56 |
Re: "Guest"
I thought so!
edited by Smitty on 30/06/2009 |
Shelly Beauford
30/06/2009 05:14:03 |
"The measure would see 3,393 fewer deaths, 97,900 fewer hospital admissions, 45,800 fewer crimes, 296,900 fewer sick days, 12,400 fewer people unemployed and benefit society by £1bn a year."
Where do they come up with these figures? |
Leslie Andrews
30/06/2009 05:10:23 |
I realize this article is a couple of months old, but I think it brings up a valid point about what we've been talking about in regards to society's opinions on binge drinking and that having more to do with its accelerated growth than anything else. Take a look and see what you think.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5000433/Passive-drinking-is-blighting-the-nation-Sir-Liam-Donaldson-warns.html |
Smitty
28/06/2009 22:20:51 |
A.B. wrote:
Perhaps I'm a bit paranoid, but what happens when the gov'ment wins and we're all out of business? What will be incredulously regulated next?
I'm pretty sure it will be the fish and chips shops. The dept. of health will have a coronary! |
JenniferB.
28/06/2009 22:17:13 |
What about unemployment rates and binge drinking? I'm sure it's a pretty common occurrence that average joe loses his job and drowns his sorrow in beer that's sold at the corner grocer for less than water. In today's economy, why aren't those in power worried about this as well? |
A.B.
28/06/2009 22:13:47 |
Perhaps I'm a bit paranoid, but what happens when the gov'ment wins and we're all out of business? What will be incredulously regulated next? |
Smitty
28/06/2009 22:10:26 |
Maybe this is a crazy idea, but how about enforcing the laws we already have? |
KarMie
28/06/2009 21:35:24 |
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KarMie
28/06/2009 21:33:45 |
Sure, why not? I could run on the platform of public helplessness and call myself a "Nannyist"! |
KarMie
28/06/2009 21:31:27 |
Since the govt is so licence-happy, why isn't there a licence for customers who want to drink? Perhaps they should have to take a test about personal consumption and drinking laws before they can drink at a pub! |
Smitty
28/06/2009 21:27:25 |
It all boils down to individuals. We each make our own choices, and take our own actions. Once the public decides binge drinking isn't glamorous, then the younger crowds will begin to realize that nobody thinks they're cute or what they're doing is right. When society puts its own restraints on itself, things will change. Until then, we're stuck with stupid, useless regulations. |
Leslie Andrews
28/06/2009 21:24:14 |
According to this article, "...esearchers found that deafening music speeds up drinking patterns by drowning out conversation and arousing the brain. When sound levels were louder, the average number of drinks ordered by customers rose from 2.6 to 3.4. The time taken to drink a small beer also fell from 14 to 11 minutes, according to the study by France’s University of South Brittany."
Then Mark Hastings turns around and claims, "There is absolutely no evidence to suggest a link between music and binge-drinking. This move is akin to a sledgehammer cracking a nut – the Government already has the power to put whatever conditions it chooses on any individual licence. That would target the problem venues rather than banning music, dancing, comedy and entertainment for everyone."
I wonder exactly how scientific and accurate the research is. What are their controls? What are the variables? What about age group? There just aren't enough details most times, I find. I don't really trust either side. |
Tom Dankins
28/06/2009 21:19:52 |
Many of these regulations are based on "proven" data that things like loud music make people drink more or become violent. Where is this research? |
Jenny Bean
28/06/2009 21:08:18 |
Yet another step towards making the pubs and bars left standing after the economic meltdown into "McPubs" and "McBars"; all identical, with all paperwork in a tidy line, with robotic cookie-cutter customers. |
A.B.
28/06/2009 20:44:14 |
No vertical drinkin', or your arse is goin' 2 da can. |
JohnnyBoy
28/06/2009 20:39:04 |
http://www.reason.com/news/show/133827.html
A great article on the absolutely ridiculous laws governing our pubs. |