http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-closing-pub-doors-causing-more-loss-than-just-alcohol.aspx Fluid Trade - General - Closing Pub Doors Causing More Loss than Just Alcohol - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:15:26 GMT Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:15:26 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
"A spokeswoman for the Department of Health said: "We have not ruled out taking action on very cheap alcohol - it's clearly linked to people drinking more and the subsequent harm to their health.

"It would be wrong to make sweeping changes without consideration of all the options suggested by our research published in December.

"We need to do more work on this to make sure any action we take is appropriate, fair and effective.

"Any decisions we make will take into account their wider economic impact during this difficult time and it would not be right to penalise the overwhelming majority of responsible drinkers."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5119345/Tough-action-needed-on-cut-price-alcohol-offers-doctors-say.html]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:15:26 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:07:07 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:38:07 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/5022476/Britain-has-more-supermarkets-than-pubs-figures-show.html]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:34:46 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:54:40 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx ]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:52:48 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:52:08 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:51:29 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:50:04 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
You usually don't have to drive far (if at all) to your local pub, a good many of them rely on wood fires or similar low-carbon heat sources, their thick, chunky, earthy construction keeps the heat/cool in and the hot/cold out, and many of them rely on local grocers and local breweries, wineries, and distilleries for their offerings, whcih means less distance and pollution in transit for their menu items]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:23:57 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx ]]> Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:35:15 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx ]]> Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:34:04 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx In a perfect world...just a thought.]]> Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:31:43 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Ed]]> Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:30:40 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:29:01 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:06:48 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:04:35 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:02:40 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:54:57 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:53:54 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Allyson]]> Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:43:12 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
B.]]> Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:42:51 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:42:28 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Go AB!]]> Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:40:13 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:39:14 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:37:26 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:36:39 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:35:23 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
First, are you really "meeting" them on MySpace? What about personal contact with other humans? Are we so "plugged in" that we can't even conceive of meeting new people anywhere other than online?]]> Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:34:26 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:33:30 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:31:13 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Ed]]> Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:30:51 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:30:20 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:27:23 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:26:42 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Ed]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:15:36 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
That is just hilarious! Why aren't we doing this here!?!?!]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:14:22 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:13:20 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:11:52 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:10:07 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
http://www.vagabondish.com/german-pub-skirts-smoking-ban-with-butt-holes/]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:29:36 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Willard]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:28:33 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:27:32 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx I guess a better question is this: what is everyone's local pub like? Let's compare notes!]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:24:28 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx ]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:22:27 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
J.]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:19:09 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:17:16 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Nacy]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:16:05 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:06:12 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Manny]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:02:59 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Bill]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:59:03 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
I think you've done a great recap here, but you're speaking of a very independent, free environment; not what some have called the "nanny" state of the NuLabours.

Ellie]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:40:20 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:38:55 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
I think NuLabour has a lot to do with this discussion, but so do the Tories, because in the beginning it was their idea to bust up the monoplized chains of the larger bars, which ended up doing the same thing they wanted to stop inside the pub world. Right now, there are more identical, cookie-cutter pubs in smaller towns than indies, and that's a shame.

KP]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:35:44 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx It helps us get to know each other a little better, plus it makes it easier to address replies to specific posts, especially in long threads like this one!

Thanks so much, and keep up the great discussions!

Gloria]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:30:51 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx ]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:28:10 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:27:11 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx j/k

More seriously, beer taxes aren't the only price in the alcoholic beverage industry that cause its price to go up. Don't forget-grain prices (malt, barley, etc.) have risen as well. Of course, more expensive costs of ingredients cause more expensive products as well.]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:11:15 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
edited by A.B. on 20/04/2009]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:02:28 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx If they had come back to the pubs like they said they would after the smoking ban went into effect, we all should be absolutely rollin' in it! ]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:07:22 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx The local pub is the opposite of that. People go to converse with each other, meet with friends, relax, enjoy some peace and quiet maybe. Pub goers tend (generally, of course) to not binge drink, instead enjoying the whole experience, not drinking to get ****ed.
Thinking about these two environments and the behaviors they can bring out, could they be more closely related than we originally thought?

Ellie]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:59:18 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:19:09 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:17:37 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx It's difficult for me to admit, but if we do so, seeing the extinction of our local taverns in that light is a harsh reality.]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:14:11 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:11:03 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:07:18 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:04:26 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Maaayyyybbb not...

]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:54:56 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:53:46 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
I'm actually the manager of a bar/club in Swansea.]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:52:41 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Are you an owner, employee, etc?]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:45:38 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Great discussion!]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:44:28 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:41:34 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:40:44 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
Well said!]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:39:49 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx I guess my point is that there has to be give and take. The government should recognize the structure of these establishments, and the pubs should do everything in their power to stay relevant in today's beverage industry, and maybe we'll all make it to see another day.

*off my soapbox*

Ash]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:38:54 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
jb]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:31:04 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:26:18 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
SallysGirl]]> Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:01:21 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:58:27 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:56:55 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:55:36 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:49:55 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:36:55 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:40:18 GMT http://www.fluidtrade.co.uk/forum/topic63-.aspx
It’s no surprise that current financial upheavals are being blamed for the closing down of many of the UK’s smaller neighborhood pubs, but are residents only losing a place to drink?

Pubs offer the communities in which they operate much more than just a place to sit and enjoy a pint. They are neighborhood hubs offering residents a place to congregate, create, and share memories. Rick Muir found that pubs are places where "people believe they are most likely to mix with those from a different background," fostering a sense of acceptance and belonging in the community. Pubs also promote public services, oftentimes providing a meeting place for everyone from civic leaders to sporting clubs a place to meet and conduct their business in full public view. In some areas pubs pull double duty as post offices or general markets, continuing their beverage business and providing their residents with supplementary services closer to home. They provide a good number of jobs in their communities and provide a safer drinking atmosphere, devoid of the metropolitan delinquency and tribulations associated with inner-city bars. Even with all of the added benefits the community-center-pub provides, by law they are treated the same as conglomerate pubcos, sharing the same taxing structure and licensing laws. This treatment is clearly hurting local pubs.

Last week, the Institute for Public Policy Research released a report which found 39 pubs close every week as a result of both fiscal and governmental licensing policies. When these pubs close, their local communities suffer. They suffer financial losses as well as cultural ones. Not only have they lost their neighborhood gathering place, but their friends and neighbors are out of work, their local community groups have lost their meeting place, and in some cases they have lost the additional services provided by the pub. The government must take a closer look at the role these pubs play in their communities, and change their policies. They must acknowledge the tolls these towns pay when the pubs are shut down, and revamp their policies and licensing procedures to accommodate for their differences from larger pubcos. Patrons, supporters, and community members must band together to call attention to these discrepancies and governments must offer solutions in order to keep these important cultural and community centers alive in the UK’s towns.

How have Britain’s community members helped their neighborhood pubs stay operational? What do we need to do in order to make sure we don’t live in a "pub-less" society? What do you think?]]> Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:43:32 GMT