28/06/2009 20:39:04
JohnnyBoy
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http://www.reason.com/news/show/133827.html
A great article on the absolutely ridiculous laws governing our pubs.
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28/06/2009 20:44:14
A.B.
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No vertical drinkin', or your arse is goin' 2 da can.
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28/06/2009 21:06:56
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"Licences are there to be adhered to and we have them for all sorts of reasons—there need to be checks in place."
I think we all understand that, but what is it that "they" are so afraid of? Why can't the landlords be trusted? Why can't customers be trusted? I know that the govt believes that we individuals cannot be trusted with the running of our daily lives without their assistance, but really...this is getting out of hand!
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28/06/2009 21:08:18
Jenny Bean
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Yet another step towards making the pubs and bars left standing after the economic meltdown into "McPubs" and "McBars"; all identical, with all paperwork in a tidy line, with robotic cookie-cutter customers.
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28/06/2009 21:11:17
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1086230/Pub-music-noise-ban-desperate-attempt-curb-binge-drinking.html
These tactics just do not work. It is time to try other methods to deal with binge drinking. Repeating the same useless measures again and again benefits no one but the bureaucrats behind them by making them look useful. Just because you are doing "something" doesn't mean that "something" is working.
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28/06/2009 21:19:52
Tom Dankins
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Many of these regulations are based on "proven" data that things like loud music make people drink more or become violent. Where is this research?
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28/06/2009 21:24:14
Leslie Andrews
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According to this article, "...esearchers found that deafening music speeds up drinking patterns by drowning out conversation and arousing the brain. When sound levels were louder, the average number of drinks ordered by customers rose from 2.6 to 3.4. The time taken to drink a small beer also fell from 14 to 11 minutes, according to the study by France’s University of South Brittany."
Then Mark Hastings turns around and claims, "There is absolutely no evidence to suggest a link between music and binge-drinking. This move is akin to a sledgehammer cracking a nut – the Government already has the power to put whatever conditions it chooses on any individual licence. That would target the problem venues rather than banning music, dancing, comedy and entertainment for everyone."
I wonder exactly how scientific and accurate the research is. What are their controls? What are the variables? What about age group? There just aren't enough details most times, I find. I don't really trust either side.
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28/06/2009 21:27:25
Smitty
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It all boils down to individuals. We each make our own choices, and take our own actions. Once the public decides binge drinking isn't glamorous, then the younger crowds will begin to realize that nobody thinks they're cute or what they're doing is right. When society puts its own restraints on itself, things will change. Until then, we're stuck with stupid, useless regulations.
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28/06/2009 21:30:12
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Once again, we're back to a societal discussion. What's morally right? What's morally wrong? What about individual responsibility? Who gets to decide? Should a customer be allowed to drink himself into cirrhosis as long as he doesn't get into a car and kill a teenager? Should football fans be allowed to drink rowdily as long as they don't fight with one another or with other customers? Is violence the line that must be crossed?
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28/06/2009 21:31:27
KarMie
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Since the govt is so licence-happy, why isn't there a licence for customers who want to drink? Perhaps they should have to take a test about personal consumption and drinking laws before they can drink at a pub!
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28/06/2009 21:32:25
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Ha! KarMie, are you thinking of running for office?!
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28/06/2009 21:33:45
KarMie
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Sure, why not? I could run on the platform of public helplessness and call myself a "Nannyist"!
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28/06/2009 21:34:33
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Wait a minute! Hasn't that been done already?!
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28/06/2009 21:35:24
KarMie
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28/06/2009 21:36:28
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So sad, so true...
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28/06/2009 22:10:26
Smitty
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Maybe this is a crazy idea, but how about enforcing the laws we already have?
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28/06/2009 22:12:16
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What about "research" that shows discount liquor is linked more to discount grocery stores than to bars and pubs? Why isn't Tesco under fire?
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28/06/2009 22:13:47
A.B.
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Perhaps I'm a bit paranoid, but what happens when the gov'ment wins and we're all out of business? What will be incredulously regulated next?
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28/06/2009 22:17:13
JenniferB.
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What about unemployment rates and binge drinking? I'm sure it's a pretty common occurrence that average joe loses his job and drowns his sorrow in beer that's sold at the corner grocer for less than water. In today's economy, why aren't those in power worried about this as well?
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28/06/2009 22:20:51
Smitty
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A.B. wrote:
Perhaps I'm a bit paranoid, but what happens when the gov'ment wins and we're all out of business? What will be incredulously regulated next?
I'm pretty sure it will be the fish and chips shops. The dept. of health will have a coronary!
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